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he's choosing the fight over hagel, in part i'm sure because he gave up on susan rice. why didn't he do it for her? >> it's possible he never was for susan the way others were. there really was a split in that white house. >> it looked like it had touched a personal cord with him when she was being criticized. may be separate from whether he wanted her for the job. i think the attitude is what's driving this on hagel. and i think his comfort level, his knowledge that if he's going to deal with defense budget cuts, he wants a republican in there. i'm not sure as andrea mitchell has pointed out that having somebody who seems to have such a difficult relationship with republicans is the best one to lead that fight. >> well, no, it is sort of the idea in what's in practice seemed to be two different things. watching republican reaction here. so jeff sessions, senator from alabama, says he's going to put a hold on jack lew. lindsey graham says he's going to put a hold on john brennan. are they going to have to say guys, you have to pick one. you can't fight them all because
he's choosing the fight over hagel, in part i'm sure because he gave up on susan rice. why didn't he do it for her? >> it's possible he never was for susan the way others were. there really was a split in that white house. >> it looked like it had touched a personal cord with him when she was being criticized. may be separate from whether he wanted her for the job. i think the attitude is what's driving this on hagel. and i think his comfort level, his knowledge that if he's going...
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>> well, in this particular case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of people are saying, well, the fact that president obama did, in fact, nominate chuck hagel as opposed to susan rice who never got nominated, shows that these neocons are behind it. i don't think that's right. i think the neoconservatives are fighting a turf war within the republican party to make sure that the dominant foreign policy within the republican party remains a very hawkish one, and i do think we'll see some sort of squabbles on the floor of the senate or in the confirmation hearings for senator hagel to that effect. >> dana, is this hagel fight really about his views on israel, for example, and
>> well, in this particular case, the hagel nomination, as well as to an extent the susan rice nomination, which didn't even get off the ground, there are a group of these neoconservative organizations that are all affiliated to some extent with bill kristol, the weekly standard editor, that have spent a fair amount of money but more to the point have really leveraged the media and their own media platforms to make these into real controversies and to make them into real fights. a lot of...
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susan rice is actually more hawkish than john kerry. she's much more in line with their foreign policy views than he is. so it's sort of ironic that in getting the guy they wanted they got a less interventionist policy. >> you're already in your second hour. i wish we had more time. >> make it happen. it's your show. do what you want to do. >>> next, the worst governor in america. if you're living in his state, you know exactly who i'm talking about. stay with us. ♪ [ washer and dryer sounds ] for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep into fabrics to eliminate odors and leaves a light, fresh scent. just another way febreze helps you breathe happy. living with moderate to, semeans living with pain.is it could also mean living with joint damage. help relieve the pain and stop the damage with humira, adalimumab. for many adults with moderate to severe ra, humira is clinically proven to help relieve pain and stop joint damage. so you can treat more than
susan rice is actually more hawkish than john kerry. she's much more in line with their foreign policy views than he is. so it's sort of ironic that in getting the guy they wanted they got a less interventionist policy. >> you're already in your second hour. i wish we had more time. >> make it happen. it's your show. do what you want to do. >>> next, the worst governor in america. if you're living in his state, you know exactly who i'm talking about. stay with us. ♪ [...
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rice. >> absolutely. >> some of those people were silent about susan rice on the left. so i think i have pains for the right and the left on this. i think the real issue today is, you know, if you look at the president's cabinet and those people who are closest to him, those people who have the most influence, someone like a valerie jarrett, i mean, i think that speaks volumes for how this president -- what this president's vision is about and how he expects to execute on that vision. >> yes, indeed. karen, if i may, in fact, to both of you, i want to show you a picture of the white house press corps who was grilling the spokesman about diversity. >> it is the truth that in most news rooms in this town the picture is going to look more like that than the kind of diversity we would want to see. again, that's why i keep coming back to this point. there is a bigger issue here. the bigger issue, and that's pasht of this why president's policies matter so much, it's not just about who is in the white house but also what policies are being passed that ensure that pathways are
rice. >> absolutely. >> some of those people were silent about susan rice on the left. so i think i have pains for the right and the left on this. i think the real issue today is, you know, if you look at the president's cabinet and those people who are closest to him, those people who have the most influence, someone like a valerie jarrett, i mean, i think that speaks volumes for how this president -- what this president's vision is about and how he expects to execute on that...
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would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look at the fence, the cia and state and treasury, there's no women. now, to charles' point he was going to try to nominate susan rice and he had hillary clinton there but does he need a woman in one of those positions? >> i sure think it would be nice to see a woman in one of those positions. i think charles' point, it's obviously fair that almost half of the presidential appointees overall have been women, but when you look at the top, you see a really different story and this is not unique to the government. this is true in fortune 500 corporations. this is true in education. no
would have done it again were it not for republican opposition to susan rice. and so i think you'd have to be really fair about how we paint this portrait of what's happening. >> okay. i think those are all fair points. but, rosa, one thing that strikes me is when you look at any organization, let's take the white house, the cabinet. there's all kinds of positions that are quote unquote management. there's more vps in most companies than there are mds and it keeps going up. when you look...
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valerie jarrett, secretary of state hillary clinton, susan rice. let's not forget that the two people that he appointed to the supreme court are both women. so i think that what happened here when you have the roll-out of the nominees, that they all happen to be white men made for what was a very easy story to do, but i think it's overstated. i think that there's plenty of diversity in the white house, and the president is committed to it. in terms of insularity. i think the president does have people who he depends on and who he can trust. i don't think that he is so beholden to the people who have been around him for a long time that he is not going outside to other voices. you don't hear about the phone calls that he makes and the meetings that he has with people who aren't from his inner circle. sometimes you do. sometimes you don't. he does really spend a lot of time on the phone and with people who are outside the circle in order to make some hard decisions. >> he calls people that don't have the same opinions. at the very least. >> he does.
valerie jarrett, secretary of state hillary clinton, susan rice. let's not forget that the two people that he appointed to the supreme court are both women. so i think that what happened here when you have the roll-out of the nominees, that they all happen to be white men made for what was a very easy story to do, but i think it's overstated. i think that there's plenty of diversity in the white house, and the president is committed to it. in terms of insularity. i think the president does have...
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ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white house correspondent kristen welker and washington post opinion columnist ruth marcus. ruth, i got to start with you because of the headline writers on your column -- >> thank you very much. copy desk. >> the headline was? >> binders full of women. >> beaninders full of women. what is going on here? that is the question that a lot of people are asking. >> it doesn't look so attractive. no disrespect to the looks of it. men involved. i am not a fan of bean counting and counting up numbers of women and numbers of minorities, but it is striking and it is disconcerting and it is disappointing to see in the big f
ambassador to the united nations is susan rice. you know, again, i could go through the list. this president has appointed -- has made two appointments to the supreme court both of them women. i think that his commitment to -- >> do you think it's an unfair charge? >> i think that the record speaks for itself. >> the record does speak for itself, doesn't it? joining me now for our daily fix, chris alissa, msnbc contributor managing editor of post politics.com, msnbc's white...
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i think that appointment should go to susan rice for what he did to her. he never supported an african-american. he did the same thing to shirley sarratt. i consider obama a weak president. he has no fight in him. >> bill: i appreciate the comment, derek. i'm sorry that he decided not to fight for susan rice. but i think he learned his lesson. he certainly is going to fight for chuck hagel. he made that very clear yesterday. the white house has launched a "full court press" to borrow a phrase. and i think you're going to see -- i think you'll see chuck hagel confirmed don't you igor? >> key thing is you saw apec sit this one out. they're not weighing in. that's a big help from israel's side of this entire controversy. i think they'll be able to hold it. >> bill: it will be tough for republicans to vote against a republican war hero american patriot. >> i was going to say john mccain can bluster all he wants now. when it comes down to it, he's going to look like an ass if he votes against him. >> wouldn't be the first time. >> good point. >> bill: you peopl
i think that appointment should go to susan rice for what he did to her. he never supported an african-american. he did the same thing to shirley sarratt. i consider obama a weak president. he has no fight in him. >> bill: i appreciate the comment, derek. i'm sorry that he decided not to fight for susan rice. but i think he learned his lesson. he certainly is going to fight for chuck hagel. he made that very clear yesterday. the white house has launched a "full court press" to...
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they were able to ding him by denying him the choice of susan rice, the u.n. ambassador to be the president's next secretary of state. they view going after chuck hagel as being one more notch in this crazy war against the president when a lot of people in the country want congress to focus not so much on chuck hagel as they want them to focus on what's happening with sequester and the budget and debt ceiling and other things that have direct impacts on people's lives. from a policy standpoint, does this come down to bush era neocon, that reminds them that he opposed the war. >> he did oppose the surge. for republicans this is about somebody whom they disagree with on policy and never liked that much in the senate because he wasn't the kind of senator that had a lot of friends, that played the relationship game at a high level. and so it's not like he has solid friendships that can help republican members of the senate who serve with him overlook their policy disagreements with him. ultimately, i expect senator hagel to tell members -- to tell the senate and t
they were able to ding him by denying him the choice of susan rice, the u.n. ambassador to be the president's next secretary of state. they view going after chuck hagel as being one more notch in this crazy war against the president when a lot of people in the country want congress to focus not so much on chuck hagel as they want them to focus on what's happening with sequester and the budget and debt ceiling and other things that have direct impacts on people's lives. from a policy standpoint,...
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david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of -- >> binders. >> about the numbers of women serving in the president's cabin cabinet. i actually have a list of high-ranking women in the white house. but i'm going to hold that. >> good, read that. >> you know what -- there are good points to be made on both sides of this. this is one of the biggest arguments we ever had. some of the bigger ones, torture -- you were right on that. >> wrong on that one. >> i will say i did use a bad word perfect tank you and i'm very sorry about that because you are not chauvinistic. of all the people that work here at msnbc, you are not a chau
david axelrod wanted me to say -- i think this is fair -- about susan rice. he said i never said -- never said that the president had never considered susan rice, said he had considered her, but he had just never heard that that was his choice. so -- >> i had heard he really wanted her for the position and really considering her from other people. but, you know what, since you bring it up, we love this show. we had a great heated conversation at the top of the 6:00 about -- numbers of --...
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susan rice from becoming secretary of state. i have great regard for senator hagel and i think he's a great choice. jack lew, women qualified for the positions? absolutely. >> do you believe that there is some meeting happens right now to try to appropriately deal with this? i mean, no one wants the job just based on the gender or color. you want to say i earned my way in this and we know the realities of doors opened and closed in our nation's past to women, to people of color. do you think given the situation, the exposure there's serious talk behind the scenes at the white house? >> absolutely. i think that's right. there's some serious talk about how to fill out the rest of the cabinet. you saw the white house rush to essentially say, hey, wait a minute, we have the folks staying. holder and sebelius but to me in some ways they weren't in tune to this initially going in to this and only speaks to the lack ofdy rersty. no one in that room to say, listen, maybe we have a problem with the optics with rolling out all of these wh
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. >>> unlike the backlash against the possible nomination of susan rice, opposition to president obama's nomination of chuck hagel is coming from both side was of the political divide. as some democrats voice concerns over hagel's positions on a wide range of issue, one of them is joining me now. democratic congressman adam schiff who has tough questions for chuck hagel. sir, great to have you with me. as a senior member of the house intelligence committee you've challenged hagel's nomination to head the pentagon. we've heard certain reasons why and they've been floated out there, but what are yours specificsly? >> i think there are two issues that senator hagel will have to address, and i think his fate is in his own hands. i think he's likely to be confirmed and it is not a slam dunk and he'll have to answer tough questions on iran, principally. he has written and said in the past that he can tolerate potentially a nuclear-powered, a nuclear-armed iran and that is certainly at odds with most of the members if not all of the members of congress. he has opposed some of the nun lateral sa
. >>> unlike the backlash against the possible nomination of susan rice, opposition to president obama's nomination of chuck hagel is coming from both side was of the political divide. as some democrats voice concerns over hagel's positions on a wide range of issue, one of them is joining me now. democratic congressman adam schiff who has tough questions for chuck hagel. sir, great to have you with me. as a senior member of the house intelligence committee you've challenged hagel's...
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not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a fight they would have waited if they didn't think they could win it. do they not think they have the votes to get him confirmed through what will be entertaining confirmation hearings. i will be sure to bring the popcorn. >> this is a winning fight for them. susan rice might not have been a winning fight. they might have filibustered susan rice. that would have been deemed a loss for them. so they floated hagel out. most important thing here, democrats getting -- barney frank criticizing hagel for his remark in 1998 about homosexuals. he's backtracking. senator charles sumer certa
not the way that they fought for susan rice. they did not fight for susan rice. they're going to fight for chuck hagel. the stories have come out already. i find it sort of interesting that they're ready for the fight. they got all of the stuff out there early. it's gone. it's past. but they're willing to fight for hagel. >> this is obviously an issue where the president his advisers, the white house has decided this is where we want to spend our political capital. i don't think it is a...
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he did try to get susan rice before senator kerry took it. i think you raised a legitimate point as he continues his nominations. take for example the transportation. he has an ideal choice here to pick a woman, a republican. senator hutchison from texas who really understands the infrastructure challenges of our nation. and i think as a republican can help us raise money in public-private ventures. understanding government can't get the $100 billion needed for our roads that need repair and enhancement. we have to do it like the state of illinois did. city of chicago did. do private-public ventures. but the president did appoint two people who were women to the supreme court. but i do think this is a legitimate point as he continues on. >> hogan, i'm curious about the debt ceiling fight. we know that is looming. it is expected to get nasty. how much do you think the republicans are going to take on the president, take on the democrats? you see what senator harry reid did. he wrote a letter to the president saying listen you have our support.
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you had susan rice, you've had all of these way out attacks on the attorney genric holder. are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of the president. >> governor, when you look at john mccane, for example, john mccain says he has concerns about hagel's positions on national security issues today. but in 2006, when he was plotting a run for the presidency, mccain said i'd be honored to have chuck with me in any capacity. he'd make a great secretary of state. same john mccain. mitch mcconnell who says there will be tough questions for hagel. >>> is john mccain just a bitter man because president obama beat him and he's just bitter and keeps attacking whatever the president does and mitch mcconnell is still trying to live up
you had susan rice, you've had all of these way out attacks on the attorney genric holder. are they trying this with hagel? why is it no matter what this president nominates, they find a reason to fight it. >> i think this is the next front, you know. they didn't do so well on the fiscal cliff. now they've got to find another partisan opening. i think it's a partisan attack. i think it's designed to help them raise money to strengthen their party's position from the mainstream position of...
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they fiercely oppose potential picks for obama's cabinet from susan rice, of course, to people who withdrew to people who had strong gop support up until they were affiliated with president obama like chuck hagel and jack lew and republicans delayed 85% of the planned relief funding for hurricane sandy. that, of course, drew a strong rebuke from republican governor chris christie. this is not politics devoted to a competing vision. this is politics devoted to digs corruption and obstruction, and those recent fights i mentioned don't even include the explosion of minority obstruction in the u.s. senate. the filibuster has been used against more of obama's legislation than any president in history. the bottom line is that the gop is exploiting what i think is a hole in our democracy. can you lose elections and still get your way now if you don't care about responsibly governing. of course, it's hard to get voters to notice this kind of thing, but i believe obama has a big opportunity at the inauguration. he can call for more than just broad patriotism or vague unity. he can call out the amora
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the president essentially walked away from susan rice. why does he want this fight? >> it's a great political idea on his behalf. if there's a big fight over this defense pick, it's going to be between republicans. right? republicans are in disarray on a number of issues. speaker boehner just survived a confidence vote that was a little bit dicier than we originally thought. there's a disagreeance on spending and a bunch of other issues. there's disagreements on defense. there's some new republicans who say, hey, we've got to stop this kind of knee network promilitary, pro interventionism out there. those people really like chuck hagel. there's other republicans who really hate chuck hagel. let this fight be between republicans i'm thinking is what barack obama is looking at. >> chuck hagel has managed to make people e iing jewish group rights groups. as he put it, i'm a united states senator. i'm not an israeli senator. he called a nominee for ambassador openly aggressively gay. he did apologize for that. that happened some time ago. and said he misspoke. but, perry
the president essentially walked away from susan rice. why does he want this fight? >> it's a great political idea on his behalf. if there's a big fight over this defense pick, it's going to be between republicans. right? republicans are in disarray on a number of issues. speaker boehner just survived a confidence vote that was a little bit dicier than we originally thought. there's a disagreeance on spending and a bunch of other issues. there's disagreements on defense. there's some new...
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they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the things that he has said in the past, including a guy slur over a decade ago. do these things matter in confirmation? >> first of all, lindsey graham is treated with a lot of respect as some kind of national security expert. but it is quite possible to be pro-israeli and also not for a rush to war with iran. it is not incompatible. in people in israel think it's quite legitimate to not want to go to war with iran. why that has become a it will news test for people like lindsey graham is not quite clear. chuck hagel, for being opposed to the surge, he voted
they lost their minds over susan rice. they're doing it again. >> here is more from senator lindsey graham. i want to display this. >> i'll have a hard time voting for anybody to be secretary of defense who believes that the surge was a foreign policy blunder. i'll have a hard time supporting anybody for secretary of defense who believes that the iranians are misunderstood, we should just negotiate with them, not sanction them. >> they're really focusing in on some of the...
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look at susan rice. i think the fact the republicans are aiming at one of their own, at chuck hagel, is really an astonishing sort of symbol of where we're at in terms of finding bipartisanship, that that would be smacked down by the republican party. >> we were talking about this yesterday on the show, of all the people the president has nominated so far, you would think john brennan would be the most controversial. he's the one no one is talking about. >> that's right. you can look at all these candidates, hagel and lew, mainstream candidates who represent the president's positions flawlessly, are a stark contrast with the bush administration, therefore the republicans might have beef with him, but that's just not happening. we're being surprised when clearly it's part of a broader strategy to discredit the very idea of government. yes, the polls show that congress is more unpopular than head lice. >> and cockroaches. >> nickelback. >> castro still slightly more unpopular, but i think they can fix that
look at susan rice. i think the fact the republicans are aiming at one of their own, at chuck hagel, is really an astonishing sort of symbol of where we're at in terms of finding bipartisanship, that that would be smacked down by the republican party. >> we were talking about this yesterday on the show, of all the people the president has nominated so far, you would think john brennan would be the most controversial. he's the one no one is talking about. >> that's right. you can...
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. >> i think part of it is we sort of have this high-profile problem with our thinking that susan rice was the first choice for state. and then when she didn't get it, we didn't know if it was her or john kerry was his first choice. or whenever this has set up women was the minority. >> on chris jansing & company, chris had congressman charlie rangel on. i just want to play what he said. take a listen. >> it's as embarrassing as hell. we went through this with murit romney. and we very hard on mitt romney with women binding thing. in the second term, you could say people got to know who is around who is qualified in order to get this job. >> chris, i want to go with you, he's saying as embarrassing as hell. talking about this, we are in of the second term, and the president set the standard here in changing how diversity can play a greater role in broadening these positions. is charlie rangel to say this is as embarrassing as hell and there should be a deeper bench when coming to replace these positions? >> well, i think there's a couple ways to look at it, the statistics of the admini
. >> i think part of it is we sort of have this high-profile problem with our thinking that susan rice was the first choice for state. and then when she didn't get it, we didn't know if it was her or john kerry was his first choice. or whenever this has set up women was the minority. >> on chris jansing & company, chris had congressman charlie rangel on. i just want to play what he said. take a listen. >> it's as embarrassing as hell. we went through this with murit...
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a little bit tvd, it's not -- it us 23409 does not appear as serious as the would be nomination of susan rice to secretary of state, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch of members, clarify prior remarks that he's made, make clear his position on key issues like israel and iran. he's probably going to have to get a little closer to the president's public position and allay some concerns about some things he said which i think at times involved not very smart choice of words. i think that ought to do it. i think, you know, senator schumer probably doesn't want to be a no to bring down a presidential nominee at this point. i think schumer needs to demonstrate he asked some tough questions. i think hagel can get pass it it if he has some good meetings and he essentiall
a little bit tvd, it's not -- it us 23409 does not appear as serious as the would be nomination of susan rice to secretary of state, which john mccain and several other prominent republicans were saying, absolutely not, i'm a no vote. you heard that mccain was agnostic on this. i don't think there's quite the same level of an mouse that republicans had toward rice. and my read of it right now is what hagel needs to do is kind of make almost what you would call an apology, go around to a bunch...
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rice's talking points and deleted the references to al qaeda. my support for a delaying confirmation is not directed at mr. brennan but is an unfortunate yet necessary action to get information from this administration. the white house is trying to sell, meanwhile, back on hagel, trying to sell hagel's personal story. and no one may tell that better than his brother, tom, who served alongside him in vietnam and described to nbc how they narrowly escaped death together. >> the concussion was incredible. it knocked us both down. and he was behind me and i looked back and he was flat on his back, blood all over his chest. so i went back. things come up where he's being criticized for this or that or the other thing, or we're both having problem. we look at each other and say, you know, what can they do to you? send you back to vietnam? >> that all may be true. on the importance of this response, that the number two democrat in the senate, new york's chuck schumer, gave to "the wall street journal" when asked about hagel's nomination. >> you owe the
rice's talking points and deleted the references to al qaeda. my support for a delaying confirmation is not directed at mr. brennan but is an unfortunate yet necessary action to get information from this administration. the white house is trying to sell, meanwhile, back on hagel, trying to sell hagel's personal story. and no one may tell that better than his brother, tom, who served alongside him in vietnam and described to nbc how they narrowly escaped death together. >> the concussion...
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yeah, please do that after you fought against susan rice. and please -- >> you ask why there aren't women in the inner circle. >> and by the way, there's going to be a gun debate coming up. and if republicans take an extremist stance and instead of fighting for handguns and fighting for the right to keep and bear, you know, hunting weapons and the right to keep and bear arms, instead fight for these massive clips, these high-capacity magazine clips and assault weapons, 2014, you've put all of this stuff together, jon meacham, 2014 is going to be a rough year for the republican party. i said '12 was moving them toward wig status. if they continue to be the party of extreme ideas and extreme factions instead of the party of balanced budgets, the party of less taxes, the party of less regulation, the party of more economic freedom, then they're going to get -- seriously, they are going to move one step closer to political oblivion. >> yeah. i still think it's really important to look at the analogy of the democratic party which spent so much ti
yeah, please do that after you fought against susan rice. and please -- >> you ask why there aren't women in the inner circle. >> and by the way, there's going to be a gun debate coming up. and if republicans take an extremist stance and instead of fighting for handguns and fighting for the right to keep and bear, you know, hunting weapons and the right to keep and bear arms, instead fight for these massive clips, these high-capacity magazine clips and assault weapons, 2014, you've...
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if you remember, jenna, the problems with susan rice when there was a lot of controversy when it was rumored she would be the next secretary of state? you had a bunch of women's groups that came out against republicans saying that they didn't want her to be secretary of state because she was a black and a woman. where are those groups now? if you notice, the president's nominee are all men, white men. not just men. white men. diversity is not just an gender. it is on race as well. jenna: what do you think they about stories like this and the pressure they can put on an administration of any party to select certain individuals for certain reasons and not necessarily because of qualifications? what kind of risk is that to the american public? >> it is a risk for the american public. and look, as a conservative i believe people should be chosen on ability, not on gender, not on race, not on sexual orientation or political stance but let's take labor secretary hilda solis. if the president wants a diverse latino you have javier becerra, democrat leadership. you have luis gutierrez, who i
if you remember, jenna, the problems with susan rice when there was a lot of controversy when it was rumored she would be the next secretary of state? you had a bunch of women's groups that came out against republicans saying that they didn't want her to be secretary of state because she was a black and a woman. where are those groups now? if you notice, the president's nominee are all men, white men. not just men. white men. diversity is not just an gender. it is on race as well. jenna: what...
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susan rice can stay in at u.n. but you want to get a few more. you might see more women becoming assistant secretaries, high-level ambassadorships on the foreign policy front and i think you'll find a woman finding a spot in one of the domestic cabinet posts. but it's, i think, the president felt he had to pick the people that were best and their names were kerry, brennan and hagel, after he floated rice around a little and she didn't track. >> because of the movie "lincoln" that's been out and doris concerns good win's book "team of rivals," obama's cabinet picks now for a second term are the least team of rivals ever. explain that a bit. >> yes. i mean these are a team of friends. i don't blame the president. look, you're in the second term now, you've won a big election like he did. you don't want to have to constantly pick the political choice. you want the person you think can get the job done. chuck hagel is not afraid to slash defense budgets. you really need a veteran to do that. the first secretary of defense a v vietnam war veteran. hag
susan rice can stay in at u.n. but you want to get a few more. you might see more women becoming assistant secretaries, high-level ambassadorships on the foreign policy front and i think you'll find a woman finding a spot in one of the domestic cabinet posts. but it's, i think, the president felt he had to pick the people that were best and their names were kerry, brennan and hagel, after he floated rice around a little and she didn't track. >> because of the movie "lincoln"...
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imagine what the stories would look like now if susan rice had been nominated to be secretary of state and michelle florinoi was the first defense secretary. >> i'm told that they are looking for a woman for commerce. i'm sure they are all very qualified. and then you say, oh, they needed a woman and they are putting that woman in a job because she's a woman. well, that's not a good storyline for them. >> or for people like you and me. >> right. exactly. and then the other question i have is, how much does the president, the top people listen to the women who are there? is it a question of numbers of women or is it a question of influence of women? i mean, you could argue that valley jarrett is the closest person on the senior staff to the president, long time friend close to the president and close to the first lady but how much do the -- two of the three deputies chief of staff are women. what's their impact? >> i can't tell you, ruth, how many democratic women have whispered, said to me -- and they are pretty upset about this -- why does the president decide to fight for chuck hagel
imagine what the stories would look like now if susan rice had been nominated to be secretary of state and michelle florinoi was the first defense secretary. >> i'm told that they are looking for a woman for commerce. i'm sure they are all very qualified. and then you say, oh, they needed a woman and they are putting that woman in a job because she's a woman. well, that's not a good storyline for them. >> or for people like you and me. >> right. exactly. and then the other...
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let's remember that susan rice was considered for secretary of state. so i don't think we'd be having this conversation if she hadn't run into trouble. certainly, diversity has always been a priority for this president. and his past cabinet nominees and positions have certainly reflected the diversity of this country. so i know that moving forward he's getting a lot of pressure from women's groups and latino groups and african-american groups, as he should. i'm sure moving forward his nominees will look more like what the country reflects. >> i like the look of the panel, too. >> yes, i love the look of this panel. exactly. >> it did occur to me that maybe president obama needs to consult mitt romney's binders. >> there we go. all right. thank you very much. nice to see you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >>> successful once but a much different story the second time around. see what happens when two burglars try to haul off an atm. but your erectile dysfunction - you know, that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be
let's remember that susan rice was considered for secretary of state. so i don't think we'd be having this conversation if she hadn't run into trouble. certainly, diversity has always been a priority for this president. and his past cabinet nominees and positions have certainly reflected the diversity of this country. so i know that moving forward he's getting a lot of pressure from women's groups and latino groups and african-american groups, as he should. i'm sure moving forward his nominees...
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rice and ended up not picking her. do you view this as a political move to try to win a fight with republicans? >> no, absolutely not. this is someone that the president inherently trusts, and this is one of the most important positions in the administration. so the president needs someone that he has faith is going to be able to preside over a transformation of our military, right? this is going to be one of the most important four-year periods of time in our military's history over the past several decades. we're going to be withdrawing from afghanistan. we're going to be figuring out our new footprint in the world, and the president trusts chuck hagel. and to try to make this sound like it's a pick outside of the mainstream is absolutely ridiculous. chuck hagel has been widely regarded as one of the smartest people on defense and national security issues on both sides of the aisle. many of his colleagues, who right now are contemplating voting against him in the united states senate have wonderful things to say abou
rice and ended up not picking her. do you view this as a political move to try to win a fight with republicans? >> no, absolutely not. this is someone that the president inherently trusts, and this is one of the most important positions in the administration. so the president needs someone that he has faith is going to be able to preside over a transformation of our military, right? this is going to be one of the most important four-year periods of time in our military's history over the...
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john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing although i believe part of it is personal and this element they do have very different world views now. >> which is why the confirmation hearing and his answers will be that much more critical than earlier. >> they also, as you mentioned, harold, reservations from democrats with members of the party stopping short of offering hagel a full throated endorsement. senator chuck schumer of new york released a statement reading in part quote chuck hagel has earned the right to nothing less than a full and fair process in the senate. i look forward to fully studying his record and exploring his views. at the white
john mccain has been a politician drought his career driven by personal grudges -- >> like susan rice? >> yes. that was another case part of what was driving him. in this case, i do think part of what he would say, if he were here, back to the policy point, there's no greater champion of the iraq war and surge and everything that happened after that than john mccain was and no greater critic of that than republican chuck hagel. he would make the case it is not just a personal thing...
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and also these visits to capitol hill which hurt susan rice so badly. the white house believes they'll have the opposite effect for senator hagel, that is he meets with senator schumer and others as they're reminded of this personal story that these other issues will fade away. >> you know, i mean, what he did for mitch mcconnell's entire - extended family, according to john heilemann. >> poor heilmann. >> i've got to ask, what was mitch mcconnell's grandma doing in saigon at the time during the tete offense? >> she went to see her son. >> and then he saved them all, according to john heilemann. >> in one fell swoop. >> exactly. >> i'd love to talk to one of these republicans one day who is against hagel, a guy who fought a war, a guy who's got shrapnel in his chest, who understands. >> those are the same guys i was talking about at the top of the hour. >> i know chuck and i like him very much. chuck's got really short elbows. you know, it's not -- and i've had some republican senators tell me, it's not the way he voted or how he -- you know, he seemed
and also these visits to capitol hill which hurt susan rice so badly. the white house believes they'll have the opposite effect for senator hagel, that is he meets with senator schumer and others as they're reminded of this personal story that these other issues will fade away. >> you know, i mean, what he did for mitch mcconnell's entire - extended family, according to john heilemann. >> poor heilmann. >> i've got to ask, what was mitch mcconnell's grandma doing in saigon at...
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rice, who is one, black, two, a woman, and three, unrelated to either one of those things, not somebody who has exactly known for the most butter smooth personality in terms of getting along with people. there's a kind of larry summers abrasiveness aspect to her yet the idea was that she would be secretary of state. he meant if that didn't work out but it's hard for me to forget that in terms of what's going on now. so i think it's a ridiculous charge because of rice alone. >> and by the way, when she was put forward and we don't know if she was the first pick but when she was put forward she was immediately attacked and a25kd in the most debasing terms by people like john mccain saying, she's not smart enough and really attacked her in such an ugly way that i think it's ironic that anyone from the party having seen and witnessed and participated in that would turn the charge around on the president. >> so there's an interesting question here, i think, which is -- who has standing to make this claim? which i think ends up being the kind of second beat of the conversation because i've se
rice, who is one, black, two, a woman, and three, unrelated to either one of those things, not somebody who has exactly known for the most butter smooth personality in terms of getting along with people. there's a kind of larry summers abrasiveness aspect to her yet the idea was that she would be secretary of state. he meant if that didn't work out but it's hard for me to forget that in terms of what's going on now. so i think it's a ridiculous charge because of rice alone. >> and by the...